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		<title>By: Jim Hoagland</title>
		<link>http://farmersmarketcoalition.org/defining-devil-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-42389</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Hoagland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 03:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brigitte, and thank you for the thoughtful article.  While I agree with just about everything you&#039;ve stated, as president of the Redmond Saturday Market, I feel I must respond to some of the statements made about our market and other markets in the comments section.  

Our market does not fit the FMC definition of a &#039;farmers market&#039; - this is not new, nor is it &#039;an imposter posing to be the “real deal”&#039;.  We&#039;ve always strived to, as you say - &#039;call a spade a spade&#039;.  We&#039;re the Redmond Saturday Market, not the Redmond Farmers Market, a distinction seemingly lost on Jester - aka hoel3301.

RSM was created over 35 years ago, as a corporation run by it&#039;s own members.  According to our by-laws, it&#039;s purpose is &quot;To create a &#039;Public Market&#039; where farmers, gardeners, artists, craftspeople and food specialists may offer local wares, products and creations for sale.&quot;  We even define the different types of members that may belong, including Farmer Commission Vendors -  &#039;Those farmers who may purchase some of their products directly from the local grower and then offer the products for sale&#039;.  The purpose for this category is to encourage small farmers, who may not have enough product on their own, to participate in our market. Each member or our market submits an application each year, stating what products they are growing themselves, and what products they are &#039;reselling&#039;. With the exception of a couple of long time members, each vendor is limited less than 20% as &#039;resell&#039; items. 

A copy of the by-laws, along with our handbook, is distributed to each of our members, every year. It&#039;s a shame that Jester has obviously never taken the time to read them. It&#039;s also a shame that he has chosen to speak so poorly of our market manager, who is doing a tremendous job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brigitte, and thank you for the thoughtful article.  While I agree with just about everything you&#8217;ve stated, as president of the Redmond Saturday Market, I feel I must respond to some of the statements made about our market and other markets in the comments section.  </p>
<p>Our market does not fit the FMC definition of a &#8216;farmers market&#8217; &#8211; this is not new, nor is it &#8216;an imposter posing to be the “real deal”&#8217;.  We&#8217;ve always strived to, as you say &#8211; &#8216;call a spade a spade&#8217;.  We&#8217;re the Redmond Saturday Market, not the Redmond Farmers Market, a distinction seemingly lost on Jester &#8211; aka hoel3301.</p>
<p>RSM was created over 35 years ago, as a corporation run by it&#8217;s own members.  According to our by-laws, it&#8217;s purpose is &#8220;To create a &#8216;Public Market&#8217; where farmers, gardeners, artists, craftspeople and food specialists may offer local wares, products and creations for sale.&#8221;  We even define the different types of members that may belong, including Farmer Commission Vendors &#8211;  &#8216;Those farmers who may purchase some of their products directly from the local grower and then offer the products for sale&#8217;.  The purpose for this category is to encourage small farmers, who may not have enough product on their own, to participate in our market. Each member or our market submits an application each year, stating what products they are growing themselves, and what products they are &#8216;reselling&#8217;. With the exception of a couple of long time members, each vendor is limited less than 20% as &#8216;resell&#8217; items. </p>
<p>A copy of the by-laws, along with our handbook, is distributed to each of our members, every year. It&#8217;s a shame that Jester has obviously never taken the time to read them. It&#8217;s also a shame that he has chosen to speak so poorly of our market manager, who is doing a tremendous job.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Peters</title>
		<link>http://farmersmarketcoalition.org/defining-devil-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-42223</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 00:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the word principally was entered to allow other artisans to participate in the farmers markets. For examples cheese makers may not have livestock for their own milk production and use other farms milk. So technically speaking, they&#039;re not farmers. 
What concerns me is when a farmers market, like one I attended last summer, was predominately artisans. The artisan to farmer scale was roughly 3:1, I feel that&#039;s just ridiculous. I personally go to a farmers market to buy food and feel that&#039;s where the focus should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the word principally was entered to allow other artisans to participate in the farmers markets. For examples cheese makers may not have livestock for their own milk production and use other farms milk. So technically speaking, they&#8217;re not farmers.<br />
What concerns me is when a farmers market, like one I attended last summer, was predominately artisans. The artisan to farmer scale was roughly 3:1, I feel that&#8217;s just ridiculous. I personally go to a farmers market to buy food and feel that&#8217;s where the focus should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary-Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary-Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 03:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer to buy from local farmers. I really don&#039;t appreciate buying from a reseller; always feels like an imposter posing to be the &quot;real deal&quot;. I think a farmer&#039;s market should be composed of local farmers; artists and crafters are a nice addition - they&#039;re selling an entirely different product and it makes for a more rounded experience! Local farmers + local food + artists + music = JOY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer to buy from local farmers. I really don&#8217;t appreciate buying from a reseller; always feels like an imposter posing to be the &#8220;real deal&#8221;. I think a farmer&#8217;s market should be composed of local farmers; artists and crafters are a nice addition &#8211; they&#8217;re selling an entirely different product and it makes for a more rounded experience! Local farmers + local food + artists + music = JOY.</p>
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		<title>By: The Scrumptious Pantry</title>
		<link>http://farmersmarketcoalition.org/defining-devil-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-42096</link>
		<dc:creator>The Scrumptious Pantry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 22:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am all for having local farmers, artisans etc at the market and no resellers that only buy produce at the wholesale market. The idea of the Farmers Market is to allow customers to know where their food comes from.

But I also disagree with every market manager insisting that the farm itself has to be present. As Brussel Sprout rightly says, many small farms do not have the time &amp; resources to bounce from one market to the other. They should farm instead. So they hire help to sell, which is nothing bad, their product is still their product, but their margin takes a significant hit. After all, we wanted to save the Farmers, right? 

I believe that Farmer&#039;s Markets should exclude resellers, but should allow cooperation between farmers. Example: Four farms building one stand (better offering for consumer, too), taking turns in coming to market and selling. Or paying another person to sell for them - like a marketing cooperative of farmers. Many markets exclude this option and I think that is wrong. It shuts the small farms out of the opportunity to take their produce to market. And the small farms are most probably the ones most in need of being saved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am all for having local farmers, artisans etc at the market and no resellers that only buy produce at the wholesale market. The idea of the Farmers Market is to allow customers to know where their food comes from.</p>
<p>But I also disagree with every market manager insisting that the farm itself has to be present. As Brussel Sprout rightly says, many small farms do not have the time &amp; resources to bounce from one market to the other. They should farm instead. So they hire help to sell, which is nothing bad, their product is still their product, but their margin takes a significant hit. After all, we wanted to save the Farmers, right? </p>
<p>I believe that Farmer&#8217;s Markets should exclude resellers, but should allow cooperation between farmers. Example: Four farms building one stand (better offering for consumer, too), taking turns in coming to market and selling. Or paying another person to sell for them &#8211; like a marketing cooperative of farmers. Many markets exclude this option and I think that is wrong. It shuts the small farms out of the opportunity to take their produce to market. And the small farms are most probably the ones most in need of being saved.</p>
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		<title>By: Broclee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broclee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 04:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow hoel3301...if you aren&#039;t happy, leave. Why make everyone else miserable. 
What is wonderful about the Redmond Sat. Market is the variety of farmers and artists. As a customer, I think the manager has taken charge and done nothing but put her heart into it and make the market better. 
A small percentage of reselling does not hurt the cause. It is not a major grocery chain out to take advantage of &quot;farmers market&quot; advertising.  Hope you figure it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow hoel3301&#8230;if you aren&#8217;t happy, leave. Why make everyone else miserable.<br />
What is wonderful about the Redmond Sat. Market is the variety of farmers and artists. As a customer, I think the manager has taken charge and done nothing but put her heart into it and make the market better.<br />
A small percentage of reselling does not hurt the cause. It is not a major grocery chain out to take advantage of &#8220;farmers market&#8221; advertising.  Hope you figure it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Brussel Sprout</title>
		<link>http://farmersmarketcoalition.org/defining-devil-in-the-details/comment-page-1#comment-41982</link>
		<dc:creator>Brussel Sprout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure few farmers really have time to grow and sell their own vegetables or do this well enough to really maximize their profits. They often hire &quot;help&quot; who attend markets in their place. Are you really buying from the farmer in this case? Where do the fruits and vegetables that resellers sell come from - I&#039;m guessing a farmer? Some reselling allows farmers to move their excess inventory and also allows the customer to purchase a larger variety of produce. In the end the customer is the winner here and as long as that happens markets will continue to grow. Placing restrictions on who sells what when is very hard to police and few market managers have the time or desire to do this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure few farmers really have time to grow and sell their own vegetables or do this well enough to really maximize their profits. They often hire &#8220;help&#8221; who attend markets in their place. Are you really buying from the farmer in this case? Where do the fruits and vegetables that resellers sell come from &#8211; I&#8217;m guessing a farmer? Some reselling allows farmers to move their excess inventory and also allows the customer to purchase a larger variety of produce. In the end the customer is the winner here and as long as that happens markets will continue to grow. Placing restrictions on who sells what when is very hard to police and few market managers have the time or desire to do this.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dick Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a &quot;crafter&quot; at the Redmond Saturday Market.  We crafters enable the market to have a longer season (26 weeks).  We are there in May when many crops are not ready.  (especially this year).  We go untill the last Saturday in October when many of the crops are gone.  I for one take some time out in July and August to allow more space for farmers.    I very much enjoy being part of the fanily at the Redmond Saturday market.  The regulars come to the market for produce and flowers.   On gift days we halp draw people who will also buy produce and flowers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a &#8220;crafter&#8221; at the Redmond Saturday Market.  We crafters enable the market to have a longer season (26 weeks).  We are there in May when many crops are not ready.  (especially this year).  We go untill the last Saturday in October when many of the crops are gone.  I for one take some time out in July and August to allow more space for farmers.    I very much enjoy being part of the fanily at the Redmond Saturday market.  The regulars come to the market for produce and flowers.   On gift days we halp draw people who will also buy produce and flowers.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brigitte,

Thanks for your fine article.  

As for the response from hoel3301 , let&#039;s call him &quot;Jester&quot; for lack of a name - we wish he would find another market at which to sell, one perhaps that does not allow resale, because at RSM, we do allow it, it&#039;s in our bi-laws that were written 35 years ago. 

 Further, we do not belong to WSFMA because we choose not to, we have a board of directors which govern our market and we choose to run our market ourselves, re-selling from other local farms included, Jester.  We do not feel we need the help of an outside organization.  We don&#039;t consider it a &quot;problem&quot;, and we do consider WSFMA a fine organization.    

We are not just a farmer market, we support our local artists every bit as much as the farmers at our market and that is why for 35 years we have been called the Redmond Saturday Market.  

Please  Jester, unburdened by knowledge as you appear to be, go sell at a market that does not allow reselling, you will be happier and so will RSM.

Martha Tyler, Manager 
Redmond Satruday Market</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brigitte,</p>
<p>Thanks for your fine article.  </p>
<p>As for the response from hoel3301 , let&#8217;s call him &#8220;Jester&#8221; for lack of a name &#8211; we wish he would find another market at which to sell, one perhaps that does not allow resale, because at RSM, we do allow it, it&#8217;s in our bi-laws that were written 35 years ago. </p>
<p> Further, we do not belong to WSFMA because we choose not to, we have a board of directors which govern our market and we choose to run our market ourselves, re-selling from other local farms included, Jester.  We do not feel we need the help of an outside organization.  We don&#8217;t consider it a &#8220;problem&#8221;, and we do consider WSFMA a fine organization.    </p>
<p>We are not just a farmer market, we support our local artists every bit as much as the farmers at our market and that is why for 35 years we have been called the Redmond Saturday Market.  </p>
<p>Please  Jester, unburdened by knowledge as you appear to be, go sell at a market that does not allow reselling, you will be happier and so will RSM.</p>
<p>Martha Tyler, Manager<br />
Redmond Satruday Market</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 20:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Brigitte for a great article.  One point I would like to make though is that the responsibility for making that distinction falls squarely on the shoulders of the market owner/manager.  A market having the reputation of being both is a slippery slope that is often difficult to manage as well as justify.  I believe you&#039;re either one or the other, not both.  Real farmers complaints are generally ignored with the justification being the better good (survival of the market) or the financial windfall of the owner.  I believe that in the end, the customers will determine which way the market swings and whether the market survives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Brigitte for a great article.  One point I would like to make though is that the responsibility for making that distinction falls squarely on the shoulders of the market owner/manager.  A market having the reputation of being both is a slippery slope that is often difficult to manage as well as justify.  I believe you&#8217;re either one or the other, not both.  Real farmers complaints are generally ignored with the justification being the better good (survival of the market) or the financial windfall of the owner.  I believe that in the end, the customers will determine which way the market swings and whether the market survives.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Farmers Market, defined &#171; Tips and Tools for Farmers Market Management</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 20:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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